Baby Killing
This has been floating around the internet for a while, but I knew I had at least somewhat of a sympathetic ear with LC, so I thought it might be a good place to unleash my "crazy". Seems it was accepted, but toward the end I think she lost interest.
LC: Oh t
TW: he's no Zoroaster, thats for sure
SG: Temples in Bactria were the shit, you could pray to Zoroaster, Hercules, Zeus, and the Buddha all under the same roof. Paganism was so much more civilized
LC: Sure - you know, except for all the human sacrifices and orgies paganism is where it's at.
TS: Christianity evolved from that stuff. Why do you think it wasn't weird for Abraham to attempt to kill Isaac in the name of his God?
LC: Tell me something I don't know.
TS: http://en.wikipedia.org/
Biblical texts - Moloch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
LC: Ok TS, well played. But I should tell you that I almost got a minor in Theology at my Jesuit undergraduate University....so yeah, we talked about all the other gods and such in the Old Testament. There's actually a version where Abraham kills Isaac. The editors of the OT went back and changed it when human sacrifice went out of style.
TS: That, I didn't know. I also have a feeling that when Herod was killing all the babies around Jesus' time, it wasn't just because he was looking to kill Jesus but it was an annual/common tradition.
LC: Nah, that's all mythology. If you look at the Jesus birth story a lot of it mirrors the Moses story. The authors of the NT went back to ascribe significance to Jesus' life, and well, Moses was kind of a big deal to the Jews. A lot of the Jesus story is mythology. He was a real person, but you know, you've gotta jazz up the story a bit if you want to claim he's the messiah.
TS: Ah, there are Roman corollaries too: Adonis, Apollo. Greek: Attis. Babylonian: Tammuz. But I'd definitely buy that baby killing was common in Egypt -- first born. There's a name for a Jewish tradition, Bekhorot, where the first born is to be given to God. Instead of sacrifice, it was later acceptable that penance/payment was worthy, you know, unless you gave your child up to the clergy.
LC: Yuppah, or you know, first born goat works too
TS: Well, that was the whole point of the Abraham/Isaac story, I believe. Getting out of that baby-killing tradition. That's why Isaac was so old -- Abraham had put it off because Sarah was so damn old before he popped out, that he probably thought there wasn't going to be a chance for another.
TS: And then the Jesus story made goats obsolete. And well, it kind of went hand-in-hand with when the Jews stopped it because their temple was blockaded and they would have run out of food if they hadn't stopped sacrificing to their God (70AD).
LC: You got it =) Yeah, the whole point of the story was to show that human sacrifice wasn't cool anymore
LC: Jesus was the sin offering to end all sin offerings
TS: I went to Bible school from K-7 and then a year in college. I have more knowledge on that subject than I need/want. Yup. Exactly. Adonis was killed by a boar, so the "offering" went to a ham dinner instead of wasting food by simply burning it. Although I'm sure those offerings may have been eaten by the priests on the DL.
LC: But it's SO interesting!
TS: I know. It's fucking ridiculous. I delve into it because I'm putting off thesis work. I just like all the corollaries from different religions in the area. I think the ancient Egypt religion had a lot of impact on the Jews from Moses' time. The problem with Egypt's religion though is that it had several thousands of years to mature and several hundreds of conquests that promoted certain deities over others or had them meld, so it's hard to tease out the individual stories. Horus was the son of a trinity (Osiris and Isis), but Osiris was the father and the one who was raised from the dead. Ihy was allegedly the golden calf, which was also the son of Hathor, that cow goddess with the sun symbol between her horns. I also believe that the original trinity involved a female, but that the patriarchy kicked out the Mary-like goddess and inserted an androgynous character such as the Holy Spirit.
LC: Or that whole brouhaha when Akhenaten tried to disempower the sun-priests and commanded worship of only one god....totally! I think the Babylonian captivity had a big effect too - the Jews were like "Shit, we better write down all our mythology...but man, I sure do like this flood story."
TS: YES! And, you know. Amun is sometimes seen as Amen, since, the Egyptians didn't really do vowels....
LC: Precisely! That's exactly where it came from. That and the use of incense. The Egyptians were big into that, as well as choral chanting and stuff. Oh Egypt.
TS: Amun-Ra, the omniscient eye -- that iconic Egyptian eye. And they used palms as a symbolic measure because it had 12 fronds, but dammit, now I forget what they stood for. But I think they had a 12-part cycle like months. I think the disciples all represented that and have Roman/Greek corollaries. Sometimes I think I dip a little bit into "crazy" territory with this stuff.
TS: But at least other people do as well...? http://www.angelfire.com/
LC: I mean, all those religions in the near east are pretty related. It is definitely not beyond the scope of possibility. I was working at a Mimbres site in New Mexico and we found 7 snakes all sacrificed in a post hole....instantly I thought AZTEC! But again, that's getting into crazy territory.
TS: Oh, no, there was definite trade going on there, if not just indirectly from the main centers. And the Aztec mythology/belief system, I think, has them coming from that Uto-Aztecan area, which is kind of CA/AZ.
TS: What I think was awesome, at least about the Maya, was that when the Spaniards came and tried to convert them, they brought the story of Jesus on the cross, but the Maya already had the "Sacred Tree/Tree of Life". So originally the Catholic church just had the cross as their symbol, but the Maya were confusing that with their own religion, so the church put Jesus on the cross. http://www.flickr.com/
I went to at least one church down in Mexico that had a side chapel with just a tree that people would kneel down to and pray. I'm so sad I didn't take a picture, but somebody else has one: http://www.flickr.com/
LC: That is too fricken' cool. And this gets into the whole universality of the "Tree of Life" symbolism, you know, Yggdrasil and everything else
TS: Yeah. Sometimes I worry that Joseph Smith may have had some truth to his stories. But on the other hand, there might just be some deep-ass religiosity that kept some of these basic tenants of faith.
TS: Or, you know, that whole independent-thought thing, but sometimes they're a bit too close.
LC: Ah, the psychic unity of mankind
TS: Yeah, the Maya have this 26,000 year cycle for their calendars where at the end of that point, there is some kind of planet/galactic alignment where Xibalba opens up and the connection between the heavens and earth are made through the Sacred Tree which allows for the rebirth of the twin heroes, who started it all for humanity. Sometimes I wish Christianity wasn't so lame. I mean, Christianity is based pretty in-sync with the calendar, but other than this ominous "He shall return", there's nothing keeping people on the edge of their seats. I suppose Y2K did it a bit, but this 2012 thing actually has some celestial significance. Christian slackers....
TS: However, some have tried to say that the ending of "Ages" have been symbolized in the Bible: Moses condemned that golden calf/bull (Age of Taurus), Abraham killing the first goat (Age of Aires), and then Jesus, the fisher of men, was crucified (Age of Pisces). So what shall be the dawning of the Age of Aquarius...?
LC: Oh t
TW: he's no Zoroaster, thats for sure
SG: Temples in Bactria were the shit, you could pray to Zoroaster, Hercules, Zeus, and the Buddha all under the same roof. Paganism was so much more civilized
LC: Sure - you know, except for all the human sacrifices and orgies paganism is where it's at.
TS: Christianity evolved from that stuff. Why do you think it wasn't weird for Abraham to attempt to kill Isaac in the name of his God?
LC: Tell me something I don't know.
TS: http://en.wikipedia.org/
Biblical texts - Moloch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
LC: Ok TS, well played. But I should tell you that I almost got a minor in Theology at my Jesuit undergraduate University....so yeah, we talked about all the other gods and such in the Old Testament. There's actually a version where Abraham kills Isaac. The editors of the OT went back and changed it when human sacrifice went out of style.
TS: That, I didn't know. I also have a feeling that when Herod was killing all the babies around Jesus' time, it wasn't just because he was looking to kill Jesus but it was an annual/common tradition.
LC: Nah, that's all mythology. If you look at the Jesus birth story a lot of it mirrors the Moses story. The authors of the NT went back to ascribe significance to Jesus' life, and well, Moses was kind of a big deal to the Jews. A lot of the Jesus story is mythology. He was a real person, but you know, you've gotta jazz up the story a bit if you want to claim he's the messiah.
TS: Ah, there are Roman corollaries too: Adonis, Apollo. Greek: Attis. Babylonian: Tammuz. But I'd definitely buy that baby killing was common in Egypt -- first born. There's a name for a Jewish tradition, Bekhorot, where the first born is to be given to God. Instead of sacrifice, it was later acceptable that penance/payment was worthy, you know, unless you gave your child up to the clergy.
LC: Yuppah, or you know, first born goat works too
TS: Well, that was the whole point of the Abraham/Isaac story, I believe. Getting out of that baby-killing tradition. That's why Isaac was so old -- Abraham had put it off because Sarah was so damn old before he popped out, that he probably thought there wasn't going to be a chance for another.
TS: And then the Jesus story made goats obsolete. And well, it kind of went hand-in-hand with when the Jews stopped it because their temple was blockaded and they would have run out of food if they hadn't stopped sacrificing to their God (70AD).
LC: You got it =) Yeah, the whole point of the story was to show that human sacrifice wasn't cool anymore
LC: Jesus was the sin offering to end all sin offerings
TS: I went to Bible school from K-7 and then a year in college. I have more knowledge on that subject than I need/want. Yup. Exactly. Adonis was killed by a boar, so the "offering" went to a ham dinner instead of wasting food by simply burning it. Although I'm sure those offerings may have been eaten by the priests on the DL.
LC: But it's SO interesting!
TS: I know. It's fucking ridiculous. I delve into it because I'm putting off thesis work. I just like all the corollaries from different religions in the area. I think the ancient Egypt religion had a lot of impact on the Jews from Moses' time. The problem with Egypt's religion though is that it had several thousands of years to mature and several hundreds of conquests that promoted certain deities over others or had them meld, so it's hard to tease out the individual stories. Horus was the son of a trinity (Osiris and Isis), but Osiris was the father and the one who was raised from the dead. Ihy was allegedly the golden calf, which was also the son of Hathor, that cow goddess with the sun symbol between her horns. I also believe that the original trinity involved a female, but that the patriarchy kicked out the Mary-like goddess and inserted an androgynous character such as the Holy Spirit.
LC: Or that whole brouhaha when Akhenaten tried to disempower the sun-priests and commanded worship of only one god....totally! I think the Babylonian captivity had a big effect too - the Jews were like "Shit, we better write down all our mythology...but man, I sure do like this flood story."
TS: YES! And, you know. Amun is sometimes seen as Amen, since, the Egyptians didn't really do vowels....
LC: Precisely! That's exactly where it came from. That and the use of incense. The Egyptians were big into that, as well as choral chanting and stuff. Oh Egypt.
TS: Amun-Ra, the omniscient eye -- that iconic Egyptian eye. And they used palms as a symbolic measure because it had 12 fronds, but dammit, now I forget what they stood for. But I think they had a 12-part cycle like months. I think the disciples all represented that and have Roman/Greek corollaries. Sometimes I think I dip a little bit into "crazy" territory with this stuff.
TS: But at least other people do as well...? http://www.angelfire.com/
LC: I mean, all those religions in the near east are pretty related. It is definitely not beyond the scope of possibility. I was working at a Mimbres site in New Mexico and we found 7 snakes all sacrificed in a post hole....instantly I thought AZTEC! But again, that's getting into crazy territory.
TS: Oh, no, there was definite trade going on there, if not just indirectly from the main centers. And the Aztec mythology/belief system, I think, has them coming from that Uto-Aztecan area, which is kind of CA/AZ.
TS: What I think was awesome, at least about the Maya, was that when the Spaniards came and tried to convert them, they brought the story of Jesus on the cross, but the Maya already had the "Sacred Tree/Tree of Life". So originally the Catholic church just had the cross as their symbol, but the Maya were confusing that with their own religion, so the church put Jesus on the cross. http://www.flickr.com/
I went to at least one church down in Mexico that had a side chapel with just a tree that people would kneel down to and pray. I'm so sad I didn't take a picture, but somebody else has one: http://www.flickr.com/
LC: That is too fricken' cool. And this gets into the whole universality of the "Tree of Life" symbolism, you know, Yggdrasil and everything else
TS: Yeah. Sometimes I worry that Joseph Smith may have had some truth to his stories. But on the other hand, there might just be some deep-ass religiosity that kept some of these basic tenants of faith.
TS: Or, you know, that whole independent-thought thing, but sometimes they're a bit too close.
LC: Ah, the psychic unity of mankind
TS: Yeah, the Maya have this 26,000 year cycle for their calendars where at the end of that point, there is some kind of planet/galactic alignment where Xibalba opens up and the connection between the heavens and earth are made through the Sacred Tree which allows for the rebirth of the twin heroes, who started it all for humanity. Sometimes I wish Christianity wasn't so lame. I mean, Christianity is based pretty in-sync with the calendar, but other than this ominous "He shall return", there's nothing keeping people on the edge of their seats. I suppose Y2K did it a bit, but this 2012 thing actually has some celestial significance. Christian slackers....
TS: However, some have tried to say that the ending of "Ages" have been symbolized in the Bible: Moses condemned that golden calf/bull (Age of Taurus), Abraham killing the first goat (Age of Aires), and then Jesus, the fisher of men, was crucified (Age of Pisces). So what shall be the dawning of the Age of Aquarius...?
Labels: Aztecs, Babylonian, Celtic, Christianity, comparative ideologies, Egyptian, evolution, Greek, human sacrifice, Maya, religion, Roman, syncretism
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